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July 6, 2006

UK: Father Of Muslim Bomber Speaks To Victim's Partner

HasibHossain.jpgThe father of Hasib Hussain has been fairly quiet since the events of 7/7, when his son blew up a number 30 bus in Tavistock Square, London, killing 13 people. Hasib Hussain, (pictured) has been presented as a loner, with few friends. He was the youngest of the four bombers who attacked London a year ago tomorrow, killing 52 and injuring hundreds more.

Born in September 1986 in West Yorkshire, Hasib Hussain (pictured left) had been cautioned for shoplifting in 2004. He grew up as the youngest of four children in Colenso Mount in Holbeck, on the outskirts of Leeds. At school he was involved in fights with other children, and after a visit to Mecca in 2002, he had written in his schoolbook "Al Qaeda - No Limits". He had told his teachers that when he left school he wanted to be an imam.

He attended mosques in the area and attended youth centers. He visited a gymnasium in nearby Beeston where he met Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer.

The Hussain family issued a statement after 7/7 2005, in which they said Hasib was "a loving and normal young man who gave us no concern. We are having dificulty taking this in. Our thoughts are with all the bereaved families and we have to live ourselves with the loss of our son in these difficult circumstances. We had no knowledge of his activities and, had we done, we would have done everything in our power to stop him."

Today, in the UK Independent and the BBC, Mahmood Hussain talks for the first time about his feelings about what happened. The statements were taken from a documentary to be shown tomorrow, on the anniversary of 7/7 at 7.30pm (BST) on BBC1, entitled: "Real Story: Terror On The Number 30 Bus."

NeetuJain.jpgThe Independent notes that Mr Hussain was engaged in an extraordinary meeting with the partner of Hasib's victims, Neetu Jain (pictured right). Gous Ali, himself a Muslim, wanted to confront the father of the young man who destroyed his partner's life. Before arriving at the house in Holbeck, he was consumed with anger. But he left perplexed, finding that though Mahmoud Hussain was full of remorse, he also appeared to be in a state of denial.

The two men sat in Mr Hussain's front garden. Mr Hussain said of Hasib that he would have "broken his legs", "put him in prison" or done "something horrible to him".

It appears that Mr Hussain was completely taken in by the stories Hasib had told him. On Wednesday July 6, 2005, Hasib had said: "Dad, I'm going to London with my friends." Mr Hussain even suggested that they should visit the London Eye, the ferris wheel observatory beside the Thames. The father said that Tanweer and Khan had visited. "I've not seen them properly, but I knew they went to mosque. They were good boys."

Gous Ali found this description of the two Al Qaeda-indoctrinated bombers as "good boys" to be "bizarre, surreal", as he later related.

Mr Hussain said of his son: "He planned to go to college. All those plans he had. Hasib was just the same as he had always been." He spoke of how Hasib was half way through a course of driving lessons.

Last Wednesday, when the interview between Ali and Hussain took place, there was initial hostility. Ali had written several times requesting an interview, even using Urdu, but his letters had been ignored, and he had arrived uninvited at the Hussain household.

He found Hussain in the garden, and said: "Do you know who I am? Your son killed my partner."

Hussain had responded: "I don't want to talk to you. Why do you speak to me like this? Why have you come to my door like this?"

Ali insisted that the father had never apologised, and one of Hussain's sons, Imran, made it plain that Ali was not welcome. However, Mr Hussein told his son to desist and agreed to talk.

Hussain said: "Forgive me, but it's no good just coming in and saying your son killed my partner. We are the victims, too - and in the same position as you are. I tell you the truth. I can't say I sympathise with you with your situation because there's no words can replace your loss; no sympathy can do that."

"But we are decent people. I worked hard all my life. Please, please, please don't say it's something to do with me, or that I knew, my son knew, my wife knew. We are very, very decent people. I think it must have been somebody else on the bus. Not Hasib. He was a good boy. There's not a shred of evidence that he was involved in it."

Certainly in denial, Mr Hussain said that he had offered to talk to relatives of victims, but had been told by police that no-one would wish to speak to him. Mr Hussain said: "We are grieving for the relatives of the 52 victims as well."

Ali left, shaking hands with Mr Hussain before he left. He later said that he felt an emptiness after the conversation, and found he could not rage at the man. "When it came down to it, I just could not bear to be horrible to him."

During the conversation, Mr Hussain had suggested that he wanted to see a full public inquiry into 7/7. He said "We are in the dark, looking for answers."

So are many more people.

If you scroll down below, you will find pictures of the wreckage of the Number 30 Bus. The pictures are not of mangled bodies, but show how a London bus, of the sort I often travelled on, on the same route, a vehicle which seems normally so sturdy, has been ripped open like it was made of tin foil.

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The marks on the wall are spatters of blood and small lumps of flesh sticking to the stone facade.

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More pictures of the aftermath of London's bombs of 7th July, 2005, can be found from SignsonSanDiego in a GALLERY HERE.

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Posted by Giraldus Cambrensis at July 6, 2006 7:28 PM

Comments

I can only repeat what I posted a couple of weeks ago at another site.

Many people have put a lot of effort and thought into their blogs, in an attempt to help stem the onslaught of Islam.

However, it occurs to me that this method of trying to check the menace of Islam is akin to trying to cure smallpox by cleaning up the thousands of individual puss spots on the body of an infected person. In other words, you are just treating the symptoms of the disease, not the disease itself. One has to tackle the causal factors, the virus itself!

In a harsher world, as with cases of the Asian Flu virus, whole populations of poultry have been were slaughtered (a popular Muslim word!) to prevent the infection from spreading to other populations.

Such a "root and branch" method has not been, and cannot be, applied to infected humans. In any case, it is not something that can be condoned since we are talking of about 1.2 billion persons infected with this Islamic virus!

Taking a purely medical approach, it is necessary to see how the infection presents itself. A close examination of the patients show that:

1. they are born into a closed, almost incestuous, society.

2. they learn the concepts of Islam from a very early age and their sense of right and wrong is shaped by the closed society they live in.

3. by the time they reach puberty, it has become their way of life, something they take for granted, something they do not question. Or even dare to question since, by this time, they have also learnt that to question anything about their religion takes them into the dangerous well-charted waters of apostasy.

4. when they attend their ritual Friday prayers, these concepts and value-systems are reinforced, forcefully and regularly, by imams or prayer leaders at their mosques.

5. they completely have integrated the 'them" and "us" mindset, an entrenched point of view that they refuse to even question.

6. even in the adult state, they remain within their closed society, restricting interactions with non-islamic non-infected persons only on a needs must basis.

The root of the infection is their unshakable and deeply entrenched belief that the Koran is a perfect document (a very palpable untruth), and their faith that Mohammed, their Prophet (though, judging by his behaviour, Profiteer might have be a more appropriate word), was a true messenger of the god.

There is no simple or short-term remedy. To contain this exceedingly virulent virus, to make its progress untenable, we need to examine these factors and systematically dismantle the pillars of Islam.

In terms of history, there is ample evidence to substantiate the presence of Israel, and the chronology of the Jewish and Christian faiths. There is, however, very little archaeological evidence to sustain the presence of Mohammed, that 7th Century pillar of Islam.

I might be mistaken, but the first reference appears to have surfaced only in the 9th or 10th Century!

Similarly, despite much evidence of existing trade routes in that region during, and before, that period, there is little or no reference to Mecca as a vital trade centre. Further, the etymology of the word "ka'aba", which predates Islam, seems to suggest that such a pilgrimage centre did not exist ONLY in Mecca. that many other such centres existed throughout the region to serve other non-muslim populations.

Their imbecilic argument that the Koran is immutable because it was written by god needs to be demolished. Its inaccuracies and deficiencies must be highlighted, and the miserable knowledge-base of such a "god" be brought into scorn.

This cannot be done quickly. A war of attrition might have to be sustained over a long period to attack the younger and future generations.

The carpet, literally, has to be pulled from under them. Their "faith" needs to be slowly demolished by a detailed look at the following items:

* Mohammed, and all his followers, were, for the most part illiterate

* the passages from the Koran were passed on as an oral tradition, which, probably, gave rise to the current interest in having people memorise the entire Koran

* not all the passages in the Koran, in its entirety, were known to all of Mohammed's followers

* at times, even Mohammed seemed uncertain of his memory of certain passages

* some of these passages were written down in the local language, not in Arabic

* the evolution of the Arabic script during the critical 7th Century period when the Koran was first "written" and when it was finally codified, sometime in the 10th Century

* several versions of the Koran existed until it was decided that only one should be kept, and the rest were destroyed

* the earliest extant version of the Koran manuscript, found in the Yemen, should be closely examined archaeologists and language scholars to help get a fix on the Koran as it was, and what it has become today.

The patient does not require just medication. Radical deep surgery is called for!

Posted by: aviceda [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 7, 2006 7:00 AM

Dear aviceda

Truer words have never been spoken, Islam, and Islam alone is the problem here. The terrorists are not aberrant Muslims, they are devout followers of Koran and Hadith.

I noticed in today's print edition of the Telegraph that Mahmood Hussain, Hasib's father, is a "devout" Muslim, who wears a semi-clerical robe (like a long nightshirt) and wears the obligatory white cap.

The devout parents have helped all four of the London 7/7 bombers to adopt a literalist interpretation of their "faith".

Even the "convert", Jermaine Lindsay, who was born in Jamaica, had a mother who converted to Islam in 2000 and then started to disguise herself as a tent.

The MSM needs to get it into their heads - liberal Islam is the heresy, not fundamentalist Islam.

Best regards

Giraldus

Posted by: Giraldus Cambrensis [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 7, 2006 11:16 AM

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