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May 15, 2006
Netherlands: Hirsi Ali "Was Never Dutch"
Minister Verdonk tried to play the "tough on Islamism" card for a while. But she has proven herself to be the worst Dhimmi of all. She is selling her soul for 'peace' but doesn't know the Muslims don't pay those debts: Ayaan Not Dutch; According To Dutch Minister
Ayaan Hirsi Ali received her Dutch passport on false grounds. This wrote minister Verdonk in a letter to the VVD-MP. [...] The definitive results (re: of the investigation) will come later, but on the basis of the broadcast of the tv-show Zembla and the "now known facts", Hirsi Ali is "concidered as not having reveived the Dutch nationality" according to Verdonk. [...] Not having a Dutch passport will mean that Hirsi Ali is falsely a member of Parliament. Hirsi Ali has six weeks to (go in) appeal to the letter from Verdonk.[...]
Shameless, shameless cowards.
Posted by Ruy Diaz at May 15, 2006 10:03 PM
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Being Dutch, i want to set the record straight here.
I've seen here, as well as on other sites the assumption that the whole sordid mess had to do with dhimmitude. While i can see this being the case with a number of ordinary Dutch citizens who agree Hirsi Ali should have her citizenship revoked, the reasoning behind MP Rita Verdonk's decision is different.
There is not a dhimmi bone in her body, but Verdonk has a reputation as a woman who will stop at nothing to maintain her reputation as being straight forward, honest, and consistent in her policies and her decision making.
She is also involved in an election campaign within her party, where obviously her reputation is her platform for people to vote on.
Most likely, the reasoning behind her current decisions regarding Hirsi Ali are founded in an obsessive necessity to come across as 'consistent' in her policies and her decision making, and not to be caught by her opponents, or potential electorate, as a woman compromising on her own principles when her own party colleagues are involved. She is now proving that she would, most likely, even sell her own mother if it helped affirm her reputation as "tought" and consistent.
Hirsi Ali has long been honest about lying, and it was no news, yet suddenly it is reason to take her citizenship, because Verdonk happens to be in a campaign to become leader of her party. A large number of people, such as fellow Islam-critic Geert Wilders, have already accused her that those are her motivations, and that seems to be the case.
Personally, i cannot even blame her that much, because Verdonk is a politician, and what do you expect from politicians, other than looking for votes?
It is the seemingly majority of Dutch people that agree with Verdonk, rather than look at Hirsi Ali's integrated state, and her contributions to Dutch society, and fighting for liberal values more tenaciously than ALL other politicians in Holland, that has left me thoroughly disgusted at Holland. Holland makes me puke, and i'm a Dutchman living in Holland.
F**k the Netherlands for what they are doing to Hirsi Ali.
I've always felt pride of country for reasons of birth is nonsense, because you don't get to choose anyway where you are born.
But i know that SHAME, is alive and well in me for this wretched, overestimated little country and a large number of its narrow minded, despicable citizens who can't (for reasons of envy and some for dhimmitude), deal with people who are better and more courageous than them, that are greater fighters.
I'm not as courageous as Hirsi Ali, and that is why i love her for her part in the fight against Islamofascism. Unlike the hypocritical majority that (and this is probably the most disgusting part of all), sees her origins and skin color before seeing what she fights for.
They may see that she fights for a good cause, but she is a FOREIGNER, an IMMIGRANT that ... gasp ... was not upfront 14 years ago. Disregard that she fights harder than anybody else for Dutch liberal values. Its the small things that count. Like her not being "one of us". I've read comments about her that will make your skin crawl, from people you would assume agree with her about Islam (and do agree with her), just because she is NOT DUTCH and iconic.
I'm Dutch, but only by nationality. As far as the rest of "being Dutch" is concerned, this country can go to hell, and i wish Ayaan Hirsi Ali ALL THE BEST and happiness in the United States, a giant compared to Holland, in more ways than size.
Regards.
Posted by: Dan Cannon
at May 16, 2006 1:42 PM
Dear Dan-Cannon
Thank you very much for your coherent and heart-felt comments.
The quality of your commentary is article-standard, and I will be taking your points into consideration as I try to unravel all the conflicting accounts of the fall-out of this.
I accept your comment about "Iron Rita", and note that commentators are drawing parallels with Ayaan's case and that of 18-year old Kosovar Taida Pasic who similarly lied, and was deported, unable to complete her Dutch education.
Best regards
Giraldus Cambrensis
Posted by: Giraldus Cambrensis
at May 16, 2006 9:27 PM
Hi Giraldus,
Yes, commentators have drawn a parallel with Pasic.
It should also be noted that Hirsi Ali pleaded with Verdonk to allow Pasic to stay, at least until she finished her education.
But personally, i think any comparison is moot (football player Salomon Kalou was also drawn into the occasion because his speeded naturalization was refused), because while Pasic was caught lying virtually immediately, Hirsi Ali has been in the country for 14 years, and has been admitting her lies ever since.
Whereas Pasic is a "new" case, Hirsi Ali has 100% fully integrated, has a higher education, is independent of welfare because she has a wellpaying job, is a politician which means she is contributing to Dutch society and has been for years.
And that is not even counting the fact that she is ENDANGERING HER OWN SAFETY AND LIFE, and certainly a peaceful private life, by fighting for the emancipation of women and gays in Islam with Dutch liberal values in mind.
To put it simple. Whatever lies she may have told, her contributions and characteristics as an immigrant are such that the mere *suggestion* that her lies would - after 14 years - matter a damn when it comes to both her citizenship and her reputation.
There is not a single Dutchman that basically fights for Western values, and told people to be proud of Dutch culture, as she has and does.
She is more Dutch than the Dutch themselves.
As far as i'm concerned, since last week most Dutch have shown themselves no better than being collaborators or having a collaborator mentality.
This are indeed the types that would have given the Jews to the Nazis to save themselves the hassle. A nasty, vile nationalism have come to the surface from a lot of people who agreed with Verdonk. Remarks similar to "go back to your hut in Somalia" and stuff like that could be read in the comments section of newspaper websites like that of 'De Telegraaf'.
So in short, personally i reject the comparison with Pasic. She was caught lying recently and Hirsi Ali has done MORE than enough to pardon herself from having done the same thing more than a decade ago.
And the comparison with Salomon Kalou that some people in Holland are doing is even more ridiculous because his case is not even about citizenship but about speeded citizenship, where instead of 5 years he would become citizenship in a matter of months, for no other reason than he could play a football tournament for Holland.
Regards.
Posted by: Dan Cannon
at May 17, 2006 6:53 AM
Correction:
The following paragraph from my last comment has been completed which i somehow didn't do the first time around.
"To put it simple. Whatever lies she may have told, her contributions and characteristics as an immigrant are such that the mere *suggestion* that her lies would - after 14 years - matter a damn when it comes to both her citizenship and her reputation, is nothing but an excuse to get rid of her for whatever reason. The TV-program Zembla had obvious Leftist/Multiculturalist motivations of committing character assassination. Rita Verdonk had (in my opinion) political reasons to take action, and the lowly Dutch majority that support Verdonk have various reasons, including pure nationalism and racism or - like Zembla - being Leftist and multiculturalist or dhimmi.
You might wonder if indeed, if you take citizen's opinions at face value, it is about "following the rules and obeying the law".
Yeah right.
How many of those that use that excuse have abided by traffic laws, never taken office supplies home with them, and never downloaded MP3's from P2P networks, to mention three examples?
And yet a fully integrated and contributing immigrant is to be booted out 14 years after the fact while she has admitted for a long time to lying.
Don't believe the "it's the law" excuse for a second.
Regards.
Posted by: Dan Cannon
at May 17, 2006 7:08 AM
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